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August 7, 2014 posted by Steve Stanchfield

What’s in a “Top 10″ list anyway… and why bother?

Another terrifically busy week here at Thunderbean- but heck, why do I need to tell you folks that? You’re all busy with your stuff too!

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Magilla Gorilla will never make anyone’s “Top Ten” list and this image has nothing to do with this post – except that its a “list” of all the talented folks who worked at H-B in 1964.

I’m happy to report that Technicolor Dreams and Black and White Nightmares has had a great opening, and the copies are going out the door, though slowly since there were a good amount of pre-orders. I hope to have all the first batch of orders out by the weekend.

This week I spent a good amount of time sorting through the contents of my mother’s house. She was a great supporter of my love of cartoons, finding articles for me, taking me to professors at U of M to show my drawings, and even sending checks to film collectors for me before I had a job. She kept everything, stacked inside large boxes on shelves in the basement. When I say she kept everything, I mean everything- a neat hoarder in a way. It continues to be a huge job to sort without just tossing everything, but I feel I owe it to her to find good homes where I can since there’s so many really amazing things – to the right person. Going through all these boxes at breakneck speed was and continues to be quite a challenge. Since there was so much paper and cardboard in these boxes (she saved all the boxes for nearly everything too) it was an easy choice to recycle as much as possible. The people at the recycle center were having a great time looking though and sometimes keeping the various unused greeting cards, flyers and magazines and anything paper you can name.

As I fished things out of the boxes, I found a list from the late 80s that my friend Lou Goldberg had made. Lou is a film fanatic and quite knowledgeable about a variety of films and music. The list he made for me was hand-written, and contained what he considered to be his ‘Top 10′ films. The first on the list was Zabriskie Point, followed by Tokyo Olympiad, Marnie, and Le Bette Human, with Johnny Guitar a little further down the list. I was fascinated, and knew I wanted to see some of these films, ones that were foreign to me even though I had been attending the Campus 16mm film showings for many years. I remember showing this list to the head of the program in Film and Video studies, where I worked at the time. As he looked, his eyebrows raised as he pointed to Zabriskie Point, then down again on Marnie if memory serves. He made a comment that *his* list would be very different, but this one was “respectable”. To me, this meant that there was some commonality in this “good” list.

I remember asking a collector while we were watching films in the same basement I was cleaning out this week if he had a top ten list. The answer was ‘I dunno’, followed by a statement that the ‘real’ cartoon people don’t like all that stuff that everyone else does, but instead like the things that NO ONE else likes, such as the Famous Studios and Terrytoons. This was a grand departure from the idea of a ‘GOOD’ list, but, oddly, I found that respectable as well.

There are some collectors who will have the Disney stuff on a hallowed shelf, or have stacks of bootleg 60s TV cartoons. So, after all this, what the heck is the value of the list anyway?

To, me, it’s just this: I never would have SEEN Tokyo Olympiad had Lou not had it on the list, and I’m glad I did. It really didn’t matter that Citizen Kane was on there, or Rear Window – I had seen both and would return again. The value in the list I think is tracking down and seeing things you haven’t if you enjoy such things. So, with that, I’m putting two of my ‘lists’ here, and hope that you will do the same int he comments. Instead of a usual list, write one of an esoteric nature. Please? Oh, and please, DON’T include One Froggy Evening or Popeye Meets Sindbad or even the underrated classic Old McDonald. We’ve seen them I think at this point ;)

Heck, this is the equivalent of doing a crossword puzzle on the back of a 70s Frosted Flakes box (something I found in all that sorting….).

I’ll start:

Top 10 cartoons with good death scenes:

1) Mice Meeting You – Famous

2) Rough on Rats – Van Beuren

3) Tortoise Wins by a Hare – WB

4) Peace on Earth – Harman/Ising

6) There’s Good Boos Tonight – Famous

7) Education for Death – Disney

8) Cat-Choo – Famous

9) The Battle of the Barn – Scrappy

10) Der Schneemann – Hans Fischerkoesen



Top 5 cartoons I’ve fallen asleep watching:

1) Fantasia – Disney

2) The Field Mouse – Harman/Ising

3) Space Angel – episode 12 (not the right episode, but does it matter?)

4) The Reluctant Dragon (Rankin/Bass)

5) Gundam Wing (sorry anime fans…)

Ok – your turn. No fair copying – come up with an odd one that shows someone here something they haven’t seen!

36 Comments

  • Top 10 Shows to Watch Instead of “My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic” if you don’t like bronies:

    10. Zevo-3
    9. Linus The Lion-Hearted
    8.The California Raisin Show
    7. Fairly OddParents
    6. Any good Disney fairy tale movie
    5. Hot Wheels
    4. Madeline
    3. The Little Lulu Show
    2. Little Lulu (Famous Studios)
    1. The Powerpuff Girls

    • You avoid shows based on your dislike of their fanbase?

    • Glad to see someone else gave a shout out to Ed Graham,Sheldon Leonard,Carl Reiner and the rest of the Linus zanies.The music,writing and characterizations were all really good!

    • You avoid shows based on your dislike of their fanbase?

      Makes my commenter’s statement that my list doesn’t include anything made in the past 50 years seem piddling by comparison!

  • Okay, skipping over stuff like THE OLD MILL, SKELETON DANCE and DUMBO (I still tell people that one is my all time favorite movie), here, in no particular order, are ten FAVORITE cartoons. Not necessarily my list for best or greatest or even my personal all time faves, but certainly ten films that never fail to delight me. I’d drop anything to watch one of these one more time…

    ICLKE MEETS PICKLE (Terry-1942, Connie Rasinski)
    ROCKEY-BYE BABY (WB-1956, Chuck Jones)
    LITTLE OL’ BOSKO AND THE CANNIBALS (MGM-1937, Hugh Harmon)
    I YAM LOVE SICK (Paramount-1938, Dave Fleischer/Seymour Kneitel)
    PIANO TOONERS (RKO-1932, John Foster/George Rufle)
    LITTLE TOOT (Disney-1954, Clyde Geronimi)
    DIG THAT DOG (Universal/Lantz-1954, Ray Patterson/Grant Simmons)
    HOMESTEADER DROOPY (MGM-1954, Tex Avery)
    BOOK REVUE (WB-1946, Bob Clampett)
    THE BULLETEERS (Paramount-1942, Dave Fleischer/ Orestes Calpini)

    • That’s a great list Dave A perfect show even for the familiar or not so familiar..

    • “Dig That Dog?” Ohhhh, YES! I have LOVED that silly thing ever since my parents bought me the 8mm home movie of it from Castle Films, nearly 60 YEARS ago! I was okay with the lack of sound and color–it was the images onscreen that fascinated me and entertained me to no end! Icing on the cake: Later learning that the narration was by Jack Benny’s “favorite” floorwalker, Frank Nelson! Perfect! :-)!

  • Favorite animation films in the National Film Registry:

    10. Fantasia
    9. Gertie the Dinosaur
    8. Toy Story
    7. Popeye the Sailor Meets Sindbad the Sailor
    6. Gerald McBoing-Boing
    5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
    4. Beauty and the Beast
    3. Bambi
    2. Duck Amuck
    1. Steamboat Willie

  • Love this post, Steve! May I suggest you make this a recurring theme to revisit from time to time?

  • Funny, Steve. I cleaned out part of my late grandma’s basement last year and found a “My 50 Favorite Cartoons” draft that I had written when I was eight. It’s pretty hilarious, just strictly limited to what I had on VHS collections or seen on TV. Here’s just the first ten…

    PUSS GETS THE BOOT
    FAST AND FURRY-OUS
    HARE RIBBIN’
    BABY BOTTLENECK
    VENTRILOQUIST CAT
    OLD ROCKIN’ CHAIR TOM
    HOT CROSS BUNNY
    HARE SPLITTER
    REAL GONE WOODY
    IT’S THE NATURAL THING TO DO

  • LOL, glad I’m not the only one who doesn’t care for Gundam Wing. Thanks for the laugh Steve.

    Anywho here’s my top 3 anime with way less filler than DBZ (as DBZ didn’t add any character development in its filler episodes):
    3) Mobile Suit Gundam (aka Gundam 0079)
    2) Beast King GoLion (the original Japanese version of what became Lion Voltron)
    1) Sailor Moon (even the filler episodes added at least SOME character development)

  • Top 10 obscure animated shorts to watch at least once:

    1. Flebus (Terrytoons 1957, Ernest Pintoff)
    2. The Shooting of Dan McGrew (Ed Graham Prod. 1965, Ed Graham Jr.)
    3. Technological Threat (Kroyer Films 1988, Bill Kroyer)
    4. Munro (Rembrandt Films 1960, Gene Deitch)
    5. Hurts and Flowers (DePatie-Freleng 1969, Hawley Pratt)
    6. Koneko no Studio [Kitten's Studio] (Toei Doga 1959, Yasuji Mori)
    7. The House that Jack Built (National Film Board of Canada 1967, Ron Tunis)
    8. Get a Job (National Film Board of Canada 1985, Brad Caslor)
    9. The Trip (Paramount Cartoon Studio 1967, Shamus Culhane/Howard Beckerman)
    10. Marvin Digs (Paramount Cartoon Studio 1967, Ralph Bakshi)

  • My top 10 favorite cartoons:
    10. The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg/Felix the Cat/1936
    9. A Haunting We Will Go /Casper/Noveltoom/1949
    8. Pigs in a Polka/WB/Merrie Melodies/1943
    7. Coal Black & De Sebben Dwarfs/WB/Merrie Melodies/1943
    6. I Haven’t Got a Hat/WB/Porky Pig/Merrie Melodies/1935
    5. Educated Fish/Fleicher/Tommy Cod/ 1937
    4.The Friendly Ghost/Casper/Noveltoon/1945
    3. Together in the Weather/George Pal/1946
    2. Small Fry/Fleischer/Small Fry/ 1939
    1.I Love to Singa/WB/Merrie Melodies/Owl Jolson/1936

  • Freshly moved, and I don’t have my cartoon collection handy for reference, but here is my Top five films with kissing scenes:

    5. Little ‘Tinker (both the owl scene, and the blown hearts)
    4. That one Pepe le Pew cartoon with the cat that accidentally got a strip of white paint …
    3. Little Rural Riding Hood (“Kissed a Cow”)
    2. Plane Daffy (“Something new has been added”)
    1. Donald’s Crime (“Good night, big shot”)

    • That’s a great list! There should be a list of top 10 cartoons where a character fights off unwanted advances- but maybe Pepe LePew cartoons would dominate.. or Famous Studios Popeyes…

  • Top 10 favorite WWII propaganda cartoons

    Honorary mention: Private Snafu shorts such as “Spies” and “Snafuperman”, which I’m not sure would count since they were made for the military rather than the general public

    10.” Yankee Doodle Mouse”
    9. “Herr Meets Hare”
    8. “The Vanishing Private”
    7. “The Blitz Wolf”
    6.” Plane Daffy”
    5. “Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips”
    4. “Russian Rhapsody”
    3. “Daffy the Commando”
    2. “Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs”
    1. “Der Fuehrer’s Face”

    Top 5 Fox & Crow cartoons

    5. “Be Patient, Patient”
    4. “Slay It With Flowers”
    3. “Way Down Yonder in the Corn”
    2. “Toll Bridge Trouble”
    1. “The Fox and the Grapes”

  • Some of my favorites that no-one else has mentioned:
    “Rabbit Fire” [WB]
    “Book Revue” [WB, for Daffy Duck as Danny Kaye]
    “Yellow Submarine”
    “Gargoyles” [Disney TV series]
    “History of Flight” [Terry Gilliam]
    “It’s the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown”
    “Minnie the Moocher” [Betty Boop]
    “Koko’s Earth Control”
    “The Critic” [Mel Brooks]
    “Pinocchio”

  • Top 10 cartoons I could go the rest of my life without ever hearing about again (sorry):

    1. What’s Opera Doc (WB)
    2. One Froggy Evening (WB)
    3. Duck Dodgers in the 24 and 1/2th Century (WB)
    4. Northwest Hounded Police (MGM)
    5. Red Hot Riding Hood (MGM)
    6. Book Revue (WB)
    7. Rabbit of Seville (WB)
    8. Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs (WB)
    9. The Telltale Heart (UPA)
    10 The Brave Little Tailor (Disney)

    • HA!

    • Do you even have a favorite cartoon?

  • No list, but have to say there’s something about that little rabbit bashing Bugs in the face with a mallet that kills me.

  • Not a list but a single favourite: “The Legend of Rockabye Point” (Lantz, dir. Tex Avery). I saw it several times as a kid and was able to see it again a few years ago when the first Woody Woodpecker set came out on DVD.

  • Ten best episodes of “The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh”

    10. Balloonatics
    9. The Magic Earmuffs
    8. Honey for a Bunny
    7. Babysitter Blues
    6. Owl Feathers
    5. King of the Beasties
    4. Luck Amok
    3. Donkey for a Day
    2. The Old Switcheroo

    1. Find Her, Keep Her

  • 5) Gundam Wing (sorry anime fans…)

    It really does! I lost interest after a dozen episodes in! Of course any Gundam show is guilty of it.

    Here’s mine

    Top 10 Animated Shorts That Turn Me On! (in chronological order)
    1. Ko-ko’s Earth Control (Inkwell Studios, 1928, Dave Fleischer)
    2. Balloon Land (Celebrity Productions, 1935, Ub Iwerks)
    3. Happy Birthdaze (Famous Studios, 1943, Dan Gordon)
    4. Barefaced Flatfoot (UPA, 1951, John Hubley)
    5. SH-H-H-H-H-H (Walter Lantz Productions, 1955, Tex Avery)
    6. Ceruza és Radír [Pencil & Eraser] (Pannónia Filmstúdió [Hungary], 1960, Gyula Macskássy/György Várnai)
    7. Hamilton The Musical Elephant (Halas & Batchelor [UK], 1961, John Halas)
    8. The Plumber (Paramount Cartoon Studios, 1967, Shamus Culhane)
    9. Priyatelite na Gosho Slona [Friends of Goshko the Elephant] (Sofia Animation Studio [Bulgaria], 1968, Donyo Donev)
    10. Uhuka, aki egész nap a tévét nézte [The Naughty Owlet] (Pannónia Filmstúdió [Hungary], 1969, Gyula Macskássy/György Várnai)

  • Top 10 Cartoons I could hear about until doomsday:

    1. Taken For A Ride (K.Kat)
    2. Svengarlic (Krazy K.)
    3. The Great Experiment (Scrappy, Old Scrappy and Flying Derby Scrappy)
    4. The Male Man (The Male Bimbo)
    5. Barnacle Bill (Barnacle Bimbo)
    6. Happy Hoboes (Dick and Jerry)
    7. Magic Mummy (Tom and Larry)
    8. My Baby Just Cares For Me (‘Licky’ the Magic Horse)
    9. Greedy Humpty Dumpty (Dave Fleischer)
    10. Doomsday (Bert Lahr)

  • Top Ten Favorite Newgrounds animators:
    1. Adam Philips
    2. Sunil Sital
    3. Patrick DeBardelaben
    4. Karri Esala
    5. Matt Begneaud
    6. Arin Hanson
    7. Andrew Dickman
    8. Matt Jolly
    9. McFretN
    10. Ferguson Winston

    Ten anime I do like:
    1. Fist of the North Star
    2. Dirty Pair
    3. Rozen Maiden
    4. Ranma 1/2
    5. Riki-Oh
    6. Dragon Half
    7. Appleseed
    8. Gunbuster
    9. Zero no Tsukaima
    10. Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt

  • These are GREAT!!!! Thanks everyone- and keep them coming!!

  • My faves:
    Disney
    Two Chips and a Miss
    Mickey’s surprise party
    the lone chipmunk
    Mickey’s Runaway Brain
    WB
    A hick,a slick,and a chick
    Eatin’ on the Cuff
    MGM
    The Hungry Wolf
    Barney Bear’s Polar Pest
    Half-Pint Palomino
    Columbia Screen Gems
    Booby Soxers

  • I do love making top 10 lists. Especially about cartoons. Here are a few:
    TOP 10 OVERRATED WB CARTOONS (in random order):
    1. THE HYPO-CHONDRI CAT (1951, Chuck Jones)
    2. THE OLD GREY HARE (1944, Bob Clampett)
    3. SPEEDY GONZALES (1955, Friz Freleng)
    4. KNIGHTY KNIGHT BUGS (1958, Friz Freleng)
    5. COAL BLACK AND DE SEBBEN DWARFS (1943, Dir: Bob Clampett)
    6. A STAR IS BORED (1956, Dir: Friz Freleng)
    7. RABBIT’S KIN (1952, Dir: Bob McKimson)
    8. FROM A TO Z-Z-Z-Z (1955, Dir: Chuck Jones)
    9. ROCKET SQUAD (1956, Dir: Chuck Jones)
    10. HARE RIBBIN’ (1944, Dir: Bob Clampett)
    And TOP 10 UNDERRATED WB CARTOONS (again, not in any order)
    1. THE DUCKSTERS (1951, Dir: Chuck Jones)
    2. A HAM IN A ROLE (1949, Dir: Bob McKimson)
    3. HARE SPLITTER (1948, Dir: Friz Freleng)
    4. FROM HARE TO HEIR (1960, Dir: Friz Freleng)
    5. WAGON HEELS (1945, Dir: Bob Clampett)
    6. HIGH NOTE (1960, Dir: Chuck Jones)
    7. STOP, LOOK, AND HASTEN (1955, Dir: Chuck Jones)
    8. DAFFY DILLY (1948, Dir: Chuck Jones)
    9. PORKY’S RAILROAD (1938, Dir: Frank Tashlin)
    10. THE UNRULY HARE (1945, Dir: Frank Tashlin)

  • Here’s a list of some of my favorites. I saw these at venues like college film festivals, repertory theaters, film classes and sci-fi conventions in the 80s & 90s. I think I may have seen a few on Night Flight and Liquid Television as well. These are in no particular order:

    Bambi Meets Godzilla (1969) d. Marv Newland
    Ode to G.I. Joe (1990) d. Gregory Grant
    The Potato Hunter (1991) d. Timothy Hittle
    Broken Down Film (1985) d. Osamu Tezuka
    Sunbeam (1980) d. Paul Vester
    Next (1989) d. Barry Purves
    The Cat Came Back (1988) d. Cordell Barker
    The Irises (1991) d. Suzanne Gervais & Jacques Girardeau
    Juke-Bar (1989) d. Martin Barry
    Begone Dull Care (1949) d. Norman McLaren
    The Mascot (1933) d. Ladislaw Starewicz
    The Song of the Prairie (1949) d. Jiri Trnka
    Stick Figure Theater (1991) Any of the episodes but The Psycho Trailer and The Hindenburg Disaster are particularly good. (This was from Liquid Television)
    The Wizard of Speed and Time (1979) d. Mike Jittlov – all of his stuff is fun

    • This is an excellent list Suzanne! I would’ve included some of these on mine but I wanted to make it simple with the ten I picked anyway, though one surrounding the more indie film fest work would’ve also been another of my lists as well! Some of these I use to see either as “filler” on premium channels like Showtime and later on VHS through a public library video collection.

    • This may win as my favorite list here- it’s an education in animation history, as is the J. Lewis’s list below!

    • This may win as my favorite list here- it’s an education in animation history, as is the J. Lewis’s list below!

      Certainly the films that should be requirements in such a course on animation history.

    • Such high compliments from the experts. I’m blushing!

  • I wouldn’t know where to begin with my favorite animated shorts, without composing a top hundred or so.

    Yet here are my top features… and “features”…

    1.) Le Roman De Renard (Tale Of A Fox) (Ladislas Starewicz, 1931, released ’37 in German, ’40 in French)
    … This is needing the Criterion DVD treatment even more than Wes Anderson’s foxy stop-motion feature
    2.) Mars And Beyond (Disney – Ward Kimball, 1957)
    … OK, so it is really a TV show. Yet it is the one Disney “feature” I’ve enjoyed the most. Even has a cameo of Donald Duck among the aliens.
    3.) King Kong (RKO, 1933)
    … What? You mean to tell me this is actually a live-action feature with Willis O’Brien special effects?
    4.) Bambi (Disney, 1942)
    … One of the directors, Dave Hand, tried to revive some of his forest friends in merry ol’ England with his Animaland series and almost, if not quite, succeeded. Ginger Nut is still a guilty pleasure of mine.
    5.) Three Caballeros (Disney, 1944)
    … This may be as close to the psychedelic LSD sixties as Disney animation ever got. Also nice to see that Donald has taken his Cialis.
    6.) Maugli (Soyuzmultfilm, Roman Davydov, 1973)
    … Technically not really a “feature”, but five 20 minute shorts initially released annually from 1967-1971 and later stitched together as a feature. No offense to Disney and Sabu’s “Jungle Books” and Chuck Jones’ “Mowgli’s Brohers”, but this is a Grade A production that needs more exposure than it receives.
    7.) Fritz The Cat (Ralph Bakshi, 1971)
    … It is so questionable in taste and, yeah, I know I am not supposed to laugh over “Have you ever done it with an aardvark before?” and “Will you look at that. You ain’t black enough, Hon.”
    8.) Cisaruv Slavik (The Emperor’s Nightingale) (Jiri Trnka, 1948)
    … It is not the Czech master’s best feature, but it is among the few made available in the US where pickings are still slim.
    9.) Jason And The Argonauts (Columbia, with Ray Harryhausen, 1963)
    … Ohhhhh…. I know it does NOT belong on this list since 60% is live-action. Yet we don’t see the live-action clips excerpted in TV documentaries, do we?
    10.) Toy Story (1995)
    … Pixar’s Snow White… sometimes cgi is better when it is simpler.

  • Hey, Jerry Beck, ol’ buddy ol’ pal! What are your favorite Top Ten theatrical cartoon shorts? I’d really _love_ to know!

    Here’s a top ten list I’ve been thinking about off and on for years. A few years ago, somebody or other had a list of the top ten cartoon stars of all time. Coincidentally, exactly half were theatrical cartoon stars and half were TV. I’m going to dispense with the TV cartoon stars and showcase only the theatrical cartoon stars. Here they are (original numerical order in parens):

    1. (1.) Bugs Bunny (now who’s gonna argue with THAT?)
    2. (4.) Mickey Mouse
    3. (5.) Popeye the Sailor
    4. (8.) Daffy Duck
    5. (9.) Betty Boop

    An excellent group – no arguments at all with that fine group of guys (and one gal). So I got to thinking: What five additional theatrical cartoon stars would I add to that list to round it out to the Top Ten Greatest Theatrical Cartoon Stars? (Shorts only!) This was VERY tough!:

    6. Tom and Jerry (the cat and mouse) (as one entry)
    7. Donald Duck
    8. Woody Woodpecker
    9. The Pink Panther
    10. Felix the Cat

    Tom and Jerry were easy. Donald and Woody I chose on sheer number of cartoons alone – after all, that is a good measure of popularity. The last two I chose because they were the last and first (respectively) really great and successful theatrical cartoon stars.

    It really depressed me to leave out my personal second favorite cartoon star (after Bugs Bunny), namely Porky Pig (sorry, Porky!), but I hadda do it.

    Responses welcome…

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